then they had to go to an equity law firm. this is encouraging to me. i would think this actual bailout is one that says, we are now past, the pig is much further along. you don't want a python swallowing a pig, but it's going to follow it when it is finished. >> words to live by, jim. words to live by. >> i think about that often, actually. >> we just listened to an incredible hour of television on "squawk box" with zell talking about what he's seen in the economy, talking more about corporate i.t. upgrade cycles. here's what zell said not too long ago. >> nobody wants to make commitment to be on tomorrow. we run a company that does a lot of corporate enterprising installations. and one of their triggers is when the enterprise projects start getting delayed, we are heading for a recession. and that's exactly what you're looking at right now. >> when the enterprise project starts getting delayed, we are heading for a recession. that collides with the calls we are seeing regarding cisco right now. jim, channel checks going on? >> cisco, morgan stanley pu